Our Curious Amalgam

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Our Curious Amalgam explores topics in antitrust, competition, consumer protection, data protection, and privacy law around the world with leading experts in those areas. It is an amalgam because it is a group of diverse topics all in one place. It is curious because it gets the experts and asks them in-depth questions.

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November 9, 2026Episode 40338 min

#403 Do Antitrust Laws Stand in the Way of AI Safety? A Discussion With Dave Lawrence

The leading LLM developers have publicly called for coordination to set limits on the rate of progress. Do antitrust laws stand in the way? Dave Lawrence, formerly at the U.S. Department of Justice and now an academic, joins Alysha Pannu and Matthew Hall to discuss the application of U.S., Canadian and EU antitrust and competition law. Listen to this episode to learn more about the scope for discussions between the companies to head off "existential risk" from their models. With special guest: David Lawrence Related Links: Dario Amodei, "We Must Pace the Frontier" (September 2026) White House Accord on Super Intelligence (September 2026) Hosted by: Alysha Pannu, Osler Hoskin & Harcourt and Matthew Hall, McGuireWoods

November 2, 2026Episode 40244 min

#402 Antitrust in Times of Change? A Conversation With Gail Slater

Antitrust enforcement policy, like many aspects of our society, has been undergoing important changes over the past decade. What are the big picture trends driving these changes, and how are they reflected in the way the federal agencies enforce the antitrust laws? Former head of DOJ Antitrust Division Gail Slater (now with White & Case*) joins Lexi Michaud and Sergei Zaslavsky to discuss the impact of the unitary executive theory on antitrust, the states' growing role, AI policy, and other hot-button issues in antitrust enforcement. Listen to this episode for a wide-ranging discussion of antitrust enforcement under the current administration. *This episode was recorded when Gail held the role of Competition and Technology Policy Chair at American Compass, prior to Gail joining White & Case. With special guest: Gail Slater, White & Case Related Links: Commonplace, Gail Slater, "The Feds Don't Have an Antitrust Monopoly" Commonplace, Gail Slater, "Antitrust in the Time(s) of Tariffs" Hosted by: Sergei Zaslavsky, O’Melveny & Myers and Lexi Michaud, Fried Frank

October 26, 2026Episode 40126 min

#401 A Series of Unfortunate Events? Verisk Analytics v. AccuLynx and Lessons Learned

Verisk’s $2.35 billion acquisition of AccuLynx unexpectedly drew FTC scrutiny when Verisk, after announcing its acquisition of AccuLynx, stopped pursuing an enhanced pricing integration with AccuLynx’s competitor ServiceTitan, prompting the FTC to explore a novel “market reset” theory. The Delaware Court of Chancery later held that Verisk could not terminate the deal because its own “willful conduct” was the primary cause of the deal failing to satisfy the HSR closing condition and ordered specific performance. What happened to make this deal go wrong, and what can we learn from it? David Pearl, partner at HSF Kramer, joins Jeny Maier and Brian Auricchio to discuss the FTC's market-reset theory, the distinction between “willful conduct” and “willful breach,” and the implications for drafting merger agreements and assessing antitrust risk. With special guest: David Pearl, Partner, HSF Kramer Related Links: Delaware Chancery Court Opinion Hosted by: Jeny Maier, Axinn and Brian Auricchio, Haug Partners

October 19, 2026Episode 40020 min

#400 Is California Dreamin’ of Merger Challenges? Diving Into the Golden State’s HSR Notification Regime

State-level pre-merger notification requirements are becoming more popular. But what is happening in California? Heather Greenfield, partner at White & Case, joins Jaclyn Phillips and Puja Patel to discuss how California's law fits into an overall notification strategy. Listen to this episode to learn more about what to expect and how to prepare when the law becomes effective on January 1, 2027. With special guest: Heather Greenfield, Partner, White & Case Hosted by: Jaclyn Phillips, Proskauer Rose and Puja Patel, Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton

October 12, 2026Episode 39933 min

#399 Who Has the Inside Track on Litigation Risk? An In-House View From the Markets

What does competition and litigation risk look like from inside a company operating at the intersection of financial markets, data, technology, and regulation? Kay Lynn Brumbaugh, Head of Litigation, Group Legal at London Stock Exchange Group plc (LSEG), joins Anora Wang and Matthew Hall to share an in-house perspective on managing disputes in a highly regulated global business. Listen to this episode to learn how issues involving data access, market infrastructure, AI, and overlapping regulatory regimes look from inside the client. With special guest: Kay Lynn Brumbaugh, Head of Litigation, Group Legal, London Stock Exchange Group plc Related Links: LSEG website Hosted by: Anora Wang, Quinn Emanuel and Matthew Hall, McGuireWoods

October 5, 2026Episode 39827 min

#398 What's 340B? An Economist's View of the Recent Wave of 340B Litigation

The Federal 340B Drug Pricing Program has grown from a modest drug discount program into a massive federal program involving pharmaceutical manufacturers, hospitals, pharmacies, insurers, and third-party administrators. But when can similar conduct by participants in this program suggest coordination or raise other competition concerns? Archan Ruparel, economist at Charles River Associates, joins Brian Auricchio and Jaclyn Phillips to discuss economic considerations when evaluating potential antitrust concerns relating to 340B. Listen to this episode to learn more about factors that can help analyze this conduct. With special guest: Archan Ruparel, Charles River Associates Hosted by: Brian Auricchio, Haug Partners and Jaclyn Phillips, Proskauer Rose

September 28, 2026Episode 39733 min

#397 What’s Next for the ABA Antitrust Law Section? Stability, Balance, and Value

What’s ahead for the ABA Antitrust Law Section in 2026–2027? Section Chair Melanie Aitken and Counsel to the Chair Christina Skinner join Our Curious Amalgam to discuss Melanie’s vision for the Section and her priorities for the coming year. Listen to this episode to learn how under Melanie’s leadership, the Section plans to double down on its value to members, strengthen its leadership and processes, and remain a home for vigorous debate and a broad range of perspectives across the antitrust community. With special guests: Melanie Aitken, Chair, ABA Antitrust Law Section and Christina Skinner, Counsel to the Chair, ABA Antitrust Law Section Hosted by: Anora Wang and Lexi Michaud, Fried Frank

September 21, 2026Episode 39641 min

#396 Is EU Law on Abuse of Dominance Now Clear? The ECJ’s Judgment in Google Android

The European Court of Justice's judgment in Google Android is one of the most consequential EU competition law judgments of the last decade. But why is it so important? Thomas Höppner, lawyer at Geradin Partners, joins Matthew Hall and Subrata Bhattacharjee to discuss the key issues raised and their relevance to abuse of dominance cases generally. Listen to this episode to learn more about counterfactual analysis, the relevance of context and the latest on the as-efficient-competitor test and principle. With special guest: Thomas Höppner, partner, Geradin Partners Related Links: European Court of Justice judgment, Google Android, 2 July 2026 Hosted by: Matthew Hall, McGuireWoods and Subrata Bhattacharjee, Borden Ladner Gervais

September 14, 2026Episode 39537 min

#395 Which Side of the V? Larry Buterman on Trying Antitrust Cases for the Government and Against It

Larry Buterman is one of the rare antitrust attorneys who has successfully first chaired landmark cases both at the DOJ Antitrust Division and in private practice. In this career profile, co-hosts Derek Jackson and Lexi Michaud ask Larry about the differences and similarities in representing the DOJ versus representing a private party, about Larry's trial war stories (including his cross-examination of a famous athlete), about advice for aspiring litigators, and more. Listen to this episode to learn about the experience of an antitrust trial lawyer and how you might become one too. With special guest: Larry Buterman, Partner, Latham & Watkins LLP Hosted by: Derek Jackson, Cohen & Gresser and Lexi Michaud, Fried Frank

September 7, 2026Episode 39440 min

#394 A Tribute to Randy Picker: Revisiting Episode #74 on the Implications of DOJ's Case Against IBM

We are re-releasing this episode in tribute to Prof. Randy Picker, who passed away on August 15, 2026. In 2020, Randy joined co-hosts Anora Wang and John Roberti for an episode on the 13-year-long U.S. antitrust case against IBM brought in 1969, exploring how U.S. antitrust dealing with tech ranges from early government cases involving punch cards to government probes into today's platforms, and how antitrust enforcement can impact the technology landscape for decades later. Years later, the episode holds up remarkably well - the questions Randy raised about whether the antitrust past would repeat itself in the tech world remain just as central to today's platform antitrust cases and debates over Big Tech enforcement. We share Randy's episode again in celebration of his generosity, insight, and decades of contribution to antitrust scholarship. With special guest: Randal C. Picker, James Parker Hall Distinguished Service Professor of Law, University of Chicago Law School Related Links: Randal C. Picker, renowned legal scholar, 1959-2026 Hosted by: Lexi Michaud, Fried Frank; Anora Wang; and John Roberti, Zaiger Linden Roberti & Pepe

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