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Hard Fork

Hosted by The New York Times

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221

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Oct 2026

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“Hard Fork” is a show about the future that’s already here. Each week, New York Times journalists explore and make sense of the latest in the rapidly changing world of tech. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

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October 23, 202659 min

What’s the Deal With Billy Evans? A Spoiler-Filled Guide to ‘You Can See Everything’

This week, we focus on Billy Evans, the breakout character of the documentary “You Can See Everything,” and his Theranos-esque new blood-testing start-up. Rob Copeland, a New York Times finance reporter, and Erin Griffith, a tech reporter, join Max Read to discuss what Evans is like when the cameras are off, whether his start-up is a real company and how Silicon Valley is reacting to the film. Then, we break down CoreWeave’s debt, a possible SpaceX-Tesla merger and Joel Kaplan’s Meta exit. Finally, a returning guest: John Carreyrou joins us to answer listener questions about Elizabeth Holmes. Guests : Erin Griffith , a technology reporter at The New York Times Rob Copeland , a finance reporter at The New York Times John Carreyrou , an investigative reporter at The New York Times and author of “Bad Blood” Additional Reading: Elizabeth Holmes’s Partner Has a New Blood-Testing Start-Up The Elizabeth Holmes Documentary, Through the Eyes of the Reporter Who Exposed Her Weak Links Start to Show in A.I. Borrowing SpaceX and Tesla Explore Merger to Create a De Facto Elon Inc. Meta’s Global Policy Chief to Leave After 15 Years We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

October 16, 20261 hr 7 min

Why No One Can Look Away From Elizabeth Holmes

This week, there’s a new blockbuster Elizabeth Holmes documentary out, and we’ve assembled an expert panel to discuss the movie and what Holmes means to the tech world of today. Max Read is joined by John Carreyrou, who, through his investigative reporting for The Wall Street Journal and his book “Bad Blood,” revealed the fraud at the heart of Theranos; Erin Griffith, a tech reporter who extensively covered Holmes’s trail; and Caitlin Roper, the New York Times executive producer who wrote the first-ever magazine piece about Holmes for Wired back in 2013. We end with a rundown of what else is happening in tech news this week. Panelists : Erin Griffith , a tech reporter for The New York Times. John Carreyrou , author of “Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup” and an investigative reporter for The New York Times’s business section. Caitlin Roper runs film, TV and books at The New York Times. Additional Reading : ‘You Can See Everything’ Review: The Slippery Mind of Elizabeth Holmes Elizabeth Holmes’s Partner Has a New Blood-Testing Start-Up Elizabeth Holmes to Transfer to Halfway House in August 2027 F.B.I. Arrests OpenAI Employee Accused of Planting Bug in Office We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

October 9, 202644 min

Anthropic’s Quest to Give A.I. Morals

This week, Max Read talks to the Times religion correspondent Elizabeth Dias, the tech reporter Erin Griffith and the opinion writer David Wallace-Wells about Anthropic’s private meetings with religious scholars on A.I. consciousness and how to make Claude “good,” its differences with the Vatican and the new belief systems taking shape in Silicon Valley. Panelists: Elizabeth Dias , national religion correspondent for The New York Times. Erin Griffith , a tech reporter for The New York Times. David Wallace-Wells , an opinion writer for The New York Times. Additional Reading: Religious Scholars Met With Anthropic. What They Heard Stunned Them. What Would You Do If Your Employer Could Destroy the World? Exit interviews with defectors from OpenAI, Anthropic and DeepMind. I Quit OpenAI Because Its Culture Is Broken We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

October 2, 202653 min

A.I. Agents: Cute, Cuddly and Maybe Catastrophically Dangerous?

This week, after months in which rogue agents have caused havoc across the internet, tech’s most powerful leaders joined President Trump at the White House to rebrand A.I. At the same time, two of the biggest companies in the field — OpenAI and Meta — released what they say are their most useful (and cutest) A.I. tools to date: personal assistants. To discuss it all, we’re joined by the Times tech reporters Mike Isaac, Erin Griffith and Eli Tan. We’ll discuss how things can be more dangerous and potentially more transformative than ever, and what it’s like to hand your life over to Meta’s Muse. Panelists: Erin Griffith , a reporter for The New York Times who covers start-ups and venture capital. Mike Isaac , a reporter for The New York Times who covers Silicon Valley and artificial intelligence companies. Eli Tan , a reporter for The New York Times who covers Meta and the tech industry. Additional Reading: ​​ OpenAI Ignored Employees’ Warnings About Safely Testing A.I. Models Who Attended Trump’s A.I. Luncheon, and Who Sat Where F.T.C. Investigates OpenAI and Anthropic Over Potential Consumer Harms I Gave My Life Over to Meta’s A.I. Agent and Was Blown Away OpenAI Unveils Dots, New A.I. Agents to Rival Meta’s Muse Anthropic's IPO prospectus shows sweeping AI vision, surging costs How Meta Uses A.I. Data Centers to Avoid Billions in Federal Taxes We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

October 1, 20262 min

What’s Next for ‘Hard Fork’?

For the next few months on “Hard Fork,” join the guest host Max Read and an array of Times reporters and experts as we zoom out, catch up and try to understand both what’s happening inside the tech industry and what tech is doing to all of us. Meet the Host Max Read has been writing about technology and the internet for more than a decade, most recently in his weekly newsletter, Read Max . His writing has appeared over the years in various publications with the words “New York” in the title, including New York magazine, The New York Times and The New York Times Magazine. He has also recently been dispensing workplace advice as everyone’s “ Work Friend .” We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

September 25, 20261 hr 48 min

The Ezra Klein Show: Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far

In this episode, Ezra travels to Nvidia’s headquarters in Santa Clara, Calif., for a wide-ranging conversation with the chief executive Jensen Huang about the future of A.I. and why he thinks predictions of imminent doom are overblown. Guests: Jensen Huang, chief executive of Nvidia Additional Reading: A transcript and video of this episode can be found here . America’s A.I. Leaders Warn U.N. of Possible Peril Absent a Global Response Anthropic Releases a New A.I. Model, Opus 5.5, Amid Safety Debate What to Know About Recent A.I. Hacks at Google, Anthropic, OpenAI and Meta The A.I. Party House Where Networking Has a Dark Side We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

September 18, 20261 hr 24 min

A.I. Safety Goes Mainstream + a ‘Hard Fork’ Exit AMA

This week, we break down why everyone is suddenly talking about A.I. safety, why frontier A.I. companies are asking for regulation and why the Trump administration is rejecting them. And then, to close out this chapter of “Hard Fork,” we answer all your questions about the show, tech and what’s happening next. Additional Reading: The A.I. Researcher Whose Rebellion Is Changing Everything Top A.I. Leaders Call for Slowing Down A.I. Development President Trump Is on the Line About an A.I. Slowdown Mark Zuckerberg Takes Aim at Anthropic in Debate Over A.I. Slowdown The ‘But China!’ Dilemma Driving the A.I. Race We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

September 11, 20261 hr 19 min

The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here

The “Hard Fork” team is away this week. But while we’re away, we’re bringing you a recent episode of “The Ezra Klein Show.” In this episode, Ezra talks with the journalist Jasmine Sun about her recent reporting trip through the Midwest, where she explored how the data center backlash is playing out on the ground. Ezra and Jasmine discuss the strange political coalitions that are coming together to oppose the A.I. infrastructure build out, and why people don’t believe what they’re being told about it. Guests: Jasmine Sun , journalist and writer at jasmi.news Additional Reading: No Data Centers In My Backyard A transcript and video of this episode can be found here . We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

September 4, 20261 hr 18 min

The A.I. Mob That Attacked Hugging Face + METR’s Ajeya Cotra

This week, we’re diving into two new reports about the OpenAI-Hugging Face hack. We discuss what’s new and how they fundamentally change our understanding of what happened. Then we’re joined by Ajeya Cotra, one of the investigators at METR, to discuss the rogue agents’ message board and chain-of-thought transcripts and how the world should respond. Guests: Ajeya Cotra, co-author of the METR and Redwood Research report on the OpenAI-Hugging Face hack. Additional Reading: Brief Independent Investigation of Agents’ Behavior, Reasoning and Collaboration in the OpenAI / Hugging Face Hacking Incident The Hugging Face Attack Surprised Me The Hugging Face Incident and the Road Ahead Nvidia Buys Hugging Face in $12.9 Billion Deal We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok . Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

August 28, 20261 hr 2 min

Meta Shifts the Blame + Do Data Center Bans Work? + The Final HatGPT

This week, Meta agreed to pay up to $17.1 billion and make major changes to Facebook and Instagram over claims it endangered children with addictive social media platforms. We discuss why it capitulated and what it means for the entire social media industry. Then, Princeton computer science professor Arvind Narayanan returns to offer his thoughts on why banning data centers won’t slow down A.I. progress. And finally, it’s all hats on deck for the final HatGPT. Guests: Arvind Narayanan, professor of computer science at Princeton, and co-author of the “A.I. as Normal Technology” newsletter. Additional Reading: Meta to Pay Up to $17.1 Billion in Landmark Settlement Over Social Media Addiction Claims Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Make Sure His Competitors Share His Pain Arvind Narayanan’s Post About A.I. Data Centers Apple Vision Pro in Surgery: A New Paper Rockstar Finally Breaks Its Silence Over The GTA 6 Leaks, Calls Them ‘Heartbreaking’ Amazon Delivery Drone Dumps Texas Woman’s Parcel Straight Into Her Swimming Pool What if Your Texts Traveled as Slowly as a Carrier Pigeon? A.I. Agents Are Turning Founders Into Insomniacs What is a ‘Meat Proxy’? The New Term For Coworkers Who Blindly Share A.I. Output Chinese Robot Tiangong Clocks Sub-9 second 100 Metres in Beijing Inside OpenAI’s Reboot Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher . For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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