Step into the DevOps Sauna with Pinja Kujala and Stefan Daugaard Poulsen as they explore Agile and DevOps methodologies. Hear from various industry experts and discover how Agile and DevOps principles can transform any part of your business. The DevOps Sauna ensures you have the latest practices and trends to maintain a competitive edge.
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October 23, 202631 min
How to Buy an AI Tool: What to Know Before You Invest
Send us Fan Mail Buying an AI tool is easy. Buying the right one is much harder. Kalle Sirkesalo joins Pinja Kujala to discuss how organizations should evaluate AI tools, from defining real business needs and measuring value to workflows, governance, vendor ecosystems, and lock-in. And sometimes? You simply have to take the leap, put the tool into use, and learn from what happens.
October 9, 202627 min
Sneak-peek into Eficode customers’ AI maturity
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of the DevOps Sauna, Eficode CTO Marko Klemetti joins Pinja Kujala for a sneak peek at findings from Eficode’s AI maturity survey. The data reveals a striking shift: organizations are moving beyond AI-assisted software development toward autonomous AI, while gaps between AI leaders and laggards continue to widen. They explore where AI adoption is progressing fastest across software development, requirements management, testing, security, compliance, and operations, and why business and service functions are struggling to keep pace. Marko and Pinja also discuss the difference between simply implementing AI tools and actually creating business value with them, the growing importance of AI across the entire software development lifecycle, and what truly AI-mature organizations are doing differently. If your organization is investing in AI, the bigger question may no longer be whether you're using it, but whether it's actually transforming the way you work.
September 25, 202626 min
When AI Becomes an Organization: Agent Swarms & the Future of Work
Send us Fan Mail What happens when AI stops being a single assistant and starts operating as an entire organization? In this episode of the DevOps Sauna, Pinja Kujala is joined by Sebastian Sonntag from GPT Lab at Tampere University and Eficode’s Heikki Hämäläinen to explore the rise of AI agent swarms, multi-agent systems, and even “zero-human” organizations. They discuss how autonomous agents can organize and collaborate at scale, where humans still add value, and the challenges around orchestration, security, alignment, cost, and control. They also look at what agent swarms could mean for software development and organizations as increasingly autonomous AI systems move from research into real-world use.
September 11, 202633 min
Your competition is going to production in 5 minutes
Send us Fan Mail What if the journey from idea to production took five minutes? Eficode CTO Marko Klemetti joins Pinja Kujala to explore the “five-minute loop”: a new way of thinking about software delivery in the age of AI. They discuss why simply adding AI to existing processes isn’t enough, how automation can reshape the entire software development lifecycle, and why traditional handovers, security gates, and organizational structures could become the real bottlenecks. From AI-driven DevOps and shorter feedback loops to smaller development teams and the future of software itself, this episode asks a provocative question: if your competitors can move dramatically faster, is your organization ready to keep up?
August 28, 202627 min
How much sovereignty do you need? Sovereign cloud, EU regulations and the cost of control
Send us Fan Mail How sovereign does your cloud actually need to be? In this episode of DevOps Sauna, Pinja Kujala and Kalle Sirkesalo unpack the different levels of digital sovereignty, from basic EU data residency and access control to operational independence, jurisdictional immunity, and fully air-gapped infrastructure. They explore how GDPR, NIS2, DORA, the EU AI Act, and other European regulations are changing cloud strategies, why greater sovereignty comes with significant costs and trade-offs, and how organizations can decide what level of control they genuinely need. If you're navigating cloud compliance, regulated industries, data sovereignty, or the growing tension between innovation and digital independence, this episode offers a practical framework for thinking about where to draw the line.
August 14, 202637 min
Why Digital Transformations Fail: The Why, How & What of Real Change
Send us Fan Mail Why do so many transformations fail? In this episode of the DevOps Sauna, Jess Fraser-Darling joins Pinja Kujala to explore the why, how, and what of successful organizational change. They discuss leadership, measurable outcomes, employee agency, incentives, and why AI, Agile, DevOps, and technology should be enablers of transformation, not the goal itself.
July 31, 202628 min
The cost of intelligence: AI FinOps and the future of AI spending
Send us Fan Mail AI costs can change fast, especially when tokens, premium models, and agentic workflows enter the picture. In this episode, Pinja Kujala and Henri Terho discuss AI FinOps, why AI spending is harder to predict than cloud costs, and how organizations can build visibility, governance, and smarter cost controls around AI usage.
July 17, 202627 min
AI maturity at scale: Increasing the AI ROI from the perspective of private equity
Send us Fan Mail Pinja Kujala and Kalle Sirkesalo discuss AI maturity through the lens of private equity, exploring how portfolio companies can benchmark AI adoption, measure DevOps ROI, improve feedback loops, and move beyond tool usage toward real organizational maturity.
July 3, 202635 min
The new product organization: How AI changes teams, not just software
Send us Fan Mail Software is becoming cheaper to build, but customer value is becoming harder to create. Henri Hämäläinen explains why organizations must evolve beyond traditional structures and embrace a new model centered around Explore, Engineer, and Evolve to fully realize AI's potential.
June 19, 202631 min
When code is cheap, what becomes valuable? The new human advantage in the AI era
Send us Fan Mail As AI makes writing code faster, cheaper, and more accessible than ever, the real question is no longer how quickly we can build , but what truly creates value . In this episode, we explore how software development is changing when code becomes abundant, why human judgment matters more than ever, and which skills will separate great technologists from the crowd in the age of AI.
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