Crazy Might Work Podcast

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Welcome to the Crazy Might Work podcast where we celebrate pioneers of every description - authors, innovators, entrepreneurs, inventors, explorers and scientists - who live at the very edge of human possibility. We hear their stories, experiences and perspectives from frontiers like space, extracting the hard-earned practical wisdom that has made them the extraordinary individuals that they are.

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July 28, 2023Episode 150 min

Episode 1 of 1 | Ideaflow: The Only Business Metric That Matters By Jeremy Utley

Jeremy Utley is a world-leading expert in creativity and co-author of Ideaflow. In this interview, he tells us what Ideaflow is, and why it is the only business metric that matters. He is also a director of executive education at Stanford’s d.school and an adjunct professor at Stanford’s School of Engineering.Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

June 18, 2024Episode 124 min

Episode 1 of 1: Leadership Lesssons from Frontiers Like Space

The Space Shuttle Challenger and Columbia disasters, along with other failed missions led NASA to rethink how it fostered leadership and culture. Now, Crazy Might Work is using an ultra-modern version of the NASA 4-Dimensional Leadership Program, (based on the current space program) to share those learnings with other organisations and leadership teams.In this special episode recorded at the Australian Space Summit in May 2024, Paul Hawkins talks to host Adam Thorn about the program, it's origins in Antarctica, whether leaders are born or made, and how NASA became the best place to work in federal government for the 12th year in a row. Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

March 22, 2023Episode 142 min

Episode 1 of 1 - Winter in Space' by Nicola Winter

In this episode, we have Nicola Winter, who is Germany’s second female Air Force Fighter Pilot, who is also set to become Germany’s first female astronaut! She shares with us on her experiences on the astronaut selection process and how her outlook on life (and risk) was challenged when she became a mother. Nicola also shares her thoughts on NASA behaviours like Reality-Based Optimism and other lessons from her time in the Luftwaffe and in astronaut selection processes. Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

July 13, 2025Episode 139 min

Episode 1 of 1: Learnings From Space For The Workplace, With NASA 4-D

Adam Thorn interviews award-winner Paul Hawkins on the Secret Sauce of High Performance, according to NASAThis conversation between Adam and Paul explores why the 4-D program is so effective at creating high-performing teams. There is also a juicy serving of neuroscience and how leaders can optimise human and artificial intelligence in creative problem-solving at a strategic or organisational level. Paul discusses the skills required by leaders in 2030 and how these are sequenced in Crazy Might Work's Leading4Breakthrough® program. Leaders combine critical thinking and creative problem-solving with artificial intelligence to achieve extraordinary outcomes.Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

November 13, 2022Episode 129 min

Episode 1 of 1 - 'Space Kills Cancer' by Dr. Joshua Chou

Dr. Joshua Chou discovered an intriguing relationship between cancer and space flight. Sparked by a conversation with Stephen Hawking, Dr. Joshua Chou's discovery won him Researcher of the Year in Australia. As co-founder of the International Humans in Space Summit, Dr. Joshua Chou also continues to play a pivotal role in bridging the gap between industry and academia. So, if you are curious about why cancer cells die in space, or why the space industry is for everyone, then this podcast is for you!Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

September 1, 2022Episode 122 min

Episode 1 of 4 - How NASA Builds Teams w/ Charlie Pellerin

In this first episode of 'How NASA Builds Teams', Dr. Charlie Pellerin gives us a backstory of the various challenges that he faced on his journey with NASA and how he came up with the NASA 4-D Leadership Program.As the former director of NASA's astrophysics department and author of "How NASA Builds Teams", Dr. Charlie Pellerin, assisted the teams at NASA after the catastrophic Space Shuttle Challenger disaster back in 1986. He developed the now-famous NASA 4-D leadership program, enabling teams to facilitate teamwork and iron out any possible miscommunications which could lead to history repeating itself. His contribution to the aerospace industry were so extraordinary that he received the highest honour of recognition, the Distinguished Service Medal. This four-episodes series hosted by Chief Combobulator of Crazy Might Work, Paul Hawkins, will dive into the specifics with Dr. Charlie Pellerin on how he invented the NASA 4-D leadership program to sharing his life experiences, and personal stories on improving one's quality of life. Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

June 23, 2023Episode 142 min

Episode 1 of 1 - From Wollongong to Space: The Journey of Meganne Christian (Thus Far)

Meganne Christian is a trailblazer. After obtaining her PhD in Chemical Engineering at Wollongong University, she set out to become Australia’s first female astronaut, competing successfully against 22,500 other candidates for selection as a member of the European Space Agency’s final 17, ‘Class of 2023’. Like many other astronauts before her, she has ‘Wintered Over’ in Antarctica and experienced its ICE (Isolation, Confinement and Extreme Conditions) first hand. In this podcast, Meganne shares her experiences to date, providing welcome inspiration for students everywhere who aspire to be part of the Artemis or ‘Moon to Mars’ programs. In her day job, she is researching the 'Green Hydrogen' technologies that are set to change the frontiers of energy.Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

February 12, 2024Episode 148 min

Episode 1 of 1 - The Edge of Organisational Development with Matthew Elphick

Matthew Elphick, a learning and development expert, shares his journey and insights into the boundaries of learning and development in organizations. He emphasises the importance of real change in the context of work and the power of coaching in facilitating that change. Matthew discusses the balance between theory and practice in adult learning and the need for organisations to prioritise learning as a strategic agenda. He also explores strategies for evaluating learning programs and the role of personalisation in organisational learning. Matthew concludes by discussing the potential of data-driven learning and the lessons we can learn from nature and permaculture principles.Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

September 8, 2022Episode 214 min

Episode 2 of 4 - How NASA Builds Teams w/ Charlie Pellerin

In this second episode, Dr. Charlie Pellerin goes in-depth on explaining how did authentic appreciation and appropriate inclusion work in real-life settings and how it shaped the NASA 4-D Leadership Program.As the former director of NASA's astrophysics department and author of "How NASA Builds Teams", Dr. Charlie Pellerin, assisted the teams at NASA after the catastrophic Space Shuttle Challenger disaster back in 1986. He developed the now-famous NASA 4-D leadership program, enabling teams to facilitate teamwork and iron out any possible miscommunications which could lead to history repeating itself. His contribution to the aerospace industry were so extraordinary that he received the highest honour of recognition, the Distinguished Service Medal. This four-episodes series hosted by Chief Combobulator of Crazy Might Work, Paul Hawkins, will dive into the specifics with Dr. Charlie Pellerin on how he invented the NASA 4-D leadership program to sharing his life experiences, and personal stories on improving one's quality of life. Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

October 30, 2023Episode 132 min

Episode 1 of 1: Bridging Leadership and Innovation

Why innovation is a critical leadership capability and what to do about it. Paul Hawkins is the Chief Combobulator at Crazy Might Work, an award-winning, for-purpose innovation agency - and the first to be launched in Antarctica. He is certified in neuroscience, innovation, and appreciative inquiry through the Neuro-Leadership Institute, Stanford and Case Western Universities respectively and is completing a PhD in Innovation. His research has unlocked the code to how great leaders can create the right culture for innovation to thrive. In this insightful interview, Paul reveals why innovation pillars are in so many strategic plans and how organisations can support their leaders in delivering on that promise. Paul shares how the right approach, tool and method can make all the difference in how effectively you drive innovation as a leader.Thanks for listening to the Crazy Might Work Podcast! We hope you have enjoyed listening to the great conversations with extraordinary people. For more resources, go here https://www.crazymightwork.com/resources/

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