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Let's talk SPACE, and let's keep it casual. Nothing too technical. Stories that inspire. As a former NASA Public Affairs Officer, let me serve as your guide. I'll provide conversations that are both interesting and fun. Each weekly episode brings a new, fresh discussion on a variety of space topics & stories. The universe is pretty big, so there's always something new to discover! Join me and find YOUR inner space geek on Casual Space!

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October 20, 2026Episode 29035 min

290: Back to the Moon Pool: Reuniting at Jules Undersea Lodge

Back to the Moon Pool: Reuniting at Jules Undersea Lodge This week on Casual Space , Beth heads back to familiar waters, and to some very familiar faces! Longtime listeners will remember the STORIES of Space crew lived and worked inside Jules' Undersea Lodge for MISSION 05 . Now Beth checks in with the Sea Star crew, living about 20 feet underwater in that very same habitat. This crew is something of a reunion. Paul Bakken was Beth's crewmate at Jules on STORIES of Space MISSION 05. Dr. Michaela Musilova and Dr. Brandy Nunes served with Beth on her 2020 analog mission in Hawaii. And Jen Pint joins the conversation as the newest member of the family. Ahhhh. The memories of the moon pool, the murky lagoon, and the cozy bunks! This one is a true insider's conversation about mission setup, citizen science experiments, crew cohesion, and why analog astronaut missions aren't just for career scientists. Or the faint of heart. Or anyone who's claustrophobic. Meet the crew: Dr. Michaela Musilova , astrobiologist and mission commander, is studying how reflexes, math performance, and cognition hold up under pressure and fatigue. Dr. Brandy Nunes , veterinarian and microbiologist, is germinating seeds under different depressurization conditions and tracking stress through saliva-based cortisol and hormone sampling. Jen Pint , process engineer on her second analog mission, is validating a taxonomy for tracking and categorizing mission events. Paul Bakken , who works in health licensing and mission operations, returns to Jules to test vacuum pumps and improved fittings that keep waterproof cases from "burping" during ascent. He's still the crew's resident MacGyver. In this episode, we discuss: How Jules compares to newer submerged facilities, and why it feels so surprisingly spacious Warm water, low visibility, fish sightings, and orienting as a team on the way into the moon pool Jen's brand-new scuba certification and her first lagoon dive Why a shared vocabulary for "good" and "bad" events helps every habitat learn from the last Crew games, "forced fun," and the power of a shared meal Cooking under pressure (literally) and Paul's crock pot setup Michaela's Astro Seven Summits project, combining astrobiology, education, and documentary filmmaking on the tallest peak of every continent Outreach to Slovakia's Cosmic Region analog station The realities of habitat life, including a toilet drainage surprise and a gasket repair Why analog missions are one of the most accessible doors into citizen science Overheard in the habitat: "If your heart calls you to do an adventure, go for it." "This is an example of citizen science. Successful." "Cooking under pressure." Whether you dove in with us on MISSION 05 or this is your first trip to Jules, this episode will make you want to pack your fins. Listen now and dive back in with us! Related Episodes 276: Behind the Scenes: The Challenges and Lessons Learned by Exploring Underwater on MISSION 05 273: Our Ocean Adventure That Proved Stories Give Exploration 272: Summer-ease Series: STORIES of Space Underwater Invitation

October 9, 2026Episode 28951 min

289: Frank White ("The Overview Effect") on Turning Research into Reality

What happens to your mind when you leave the planet? Frank White has spent decades asking astronauts, and now it's his turn to find out… On this episode of Casual Space, Beth welcomes back Frank White, the space philosopher and author who coined the term "the overview effect." Beth and Frank explore what actually produces the overview effect and why its deepest lesson is connection rather than scenery. Frank shares how his work with MoonDAO began, how the mission has evolved from rocket plans to stratospheric balloon options, and why the goal is research, not a joy ride. Find out how you can help support Frank's mission below. Along the way, they talk about Zen, virtual reality, kids, dogs, and the everyday moments of awe that point us back toward one another. In this episode, you'll learn: - The difference between "the overview" of seeing Earth from a distance and the full overview effect, and why Frank believes weightlessness and orbit may be needed for the complete experience - Why suborbital flights, high-altitude balloons, and even an airplane window, a hike, or a walk with the dog can spark a partial shift in perspective - How the overview effect connects to Zen Buddhism, and why the experience matters more than any description of it - How virtual reality, especially real ISS imagery and astronaut-centered VR, may help recreate some of the effect - Why the next phase of overview effect work needs to be more scientific, with biometrics and before-and-after interviews - How Frank and MoonDAO came together, and why the people and the mission design matter more than the vehicle - How options like Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin, stratospheric balloons, the ISS, Orion, and Artemis II compare for studying consciousness change Memorable moments "We live on a spaceship. We are all astronauts, we're all crew members of that spaceship." — Frank White "Space travel changes consciousness." — Frank White "You're already enlightened. You don't become enlightened. You have to get rid of everything that keeps you from seeing that." — Frank White Help send Frank to space! #SendFrankToSpace Want to be part of the mission? MoonDAO's "Go to Space with Frank White" campaign aims to fly the man who named the overview effect so he can experience it firsthand. He'll bring it back to Earth through research, documentation, and storytelling that help unite humanity. Contributors also have the opportunity to be selected to fly with him! Learn more and contribute here: https://www.moondao.com/mission/4?tab=about Links Frank White, author of The Overview Effect, The Cosma Hypothesis, and The New Camelot: https://frankwhiteauthor.com/ MoonDAO, Go to Space with Frank White: https://www.moondao.com/mission/4?tab=about Follow Casual Space Podcast and share your favorite episode: Website https://bethmund.com/casual-space-podcast Linkedin https://linkedin.com/company/casual-space-podcast Facebook https://facebook.com/CasualSpacePodcast Instagram https://instagram.com/casualspacepodcast

October 2, 2026Episode 28838 min

288: FLIP-ing Out at Astrolab: A Moon Rover, a Clean Room, and Thousands of Your STORIES

This week on Casual Space, it's just Beth, a clean room, and one very real Moon rover. Beth takes you behind the scenes at Astrolab in Hawthorne, California, where she came face to face with FLIP, the rover getting ready to carry thousands of human stories to the lunar surface. Yes, she geeked out. No, she's not sorry. Beth walks through why landing on the Moon is only half the job (you still have to get around once you're there), what FLIP is built to demonstrate, and how it fits into Astrolab's bigger FLEX rover vision. Then comes the moment that made it all real: spotting the 5D crystal, engraved with Stories of Space submissions, inside the rover. Those stories have already flown to the International Space Station, the stratosphere, and even underwater. Next stop: the Moon. In this episode, Beth discusses: Why sticking the landing is just the beginning, because mobility is how you actually explore What FLIP is designed to demonstrate, and where it fits in Astrolab's larger FLEX vision The Stories of Space journey so far: the ISS, the stratosphere, underwater, and now the lunar surface Why this mission's stories are engraved on a 5D crystal instead of riding along on micro SD cards The Moon's less charming qualities, including clingy lunar dust and extreme temperatures How FLIP will roll off its lander, and why those wheels deserve a closer look What it felt like to see the rover and the payload inside the clean room Why exploration is about more than hardware: it's about the people and stories we bring along Key takeaways "The story of space exploration is a story that belongs to everyone." "The future isn't coming. It's already here." "Exploration has never been only about where we're going, but about who we bring with us." Stay connected Follow Casual Space Podcast and share your favorite episode: Website https://bethmund.com/casual-space-podcast Linkedin https://linkedin.com/company/casual-space-podcast Facebook https://facebook.com/CasualSpacePodcast Instagram https://instagram.com/casualspacepodcast Got a great guest suggestion or idea for the show? E-mail me at beth@casualspacepodcast.com New! Patches4Space Beth teams up with astronaut, geoscientist, and artist Dr. Sian Proctor to decode the stories stitched into NASA mission patches. Small patches, big stories. Episodes and patch stories: https://space2inspire.art/pages/patches4space

April 24, 2026Episode 28738 min

287: Drive Me to the Moon with Chris Lockett of Castrol

What keeps a Mars rover running after 14 years on another planet? What fixed a juddering solar array on the International Space Station? And what tiny robot — small enough to hold in your hand — recently hitched a ride to the lunar South Pole? The answer to all three: Castrol. And this week, Beth sits down with Chris Lockett, Global Technology Director at Castrol, to pull back the curtain on one of space exploration's most quietly essential partners. Chris brings nearly 30 years of experience with BP and Castrol, working across the UK, China, Japan, South Africa, and beyond. His work spans Formula One racecars to Mars rovers — and now, the Moon. In this episode, he shares how Castrol's lubrication technology has been part of humanity's greatest space achievements since Apollo, and what it's taking to help us return to the lunar surface. From "outgassing" and extreme vacuum conditions to an actual in-space oil change performed by an astronaut on a spacewalk, this conversation is packed with jaw-dropping moments. Chris also gives us a live show-and-tell — showcasing a replica Perseverance Rover and a real, working AstroAnt — the tiny MIT-designed robot that rode along on the recent mission to the lunar South Pole inside its own little garage on top of the rover. Who thought lubrication engineering could be this fascinating?! This episode will change your mind. In this episode, you'll learn: How Castrol's space heritage dates back to Apollo — and has continued through the Space Shuttle, the ISS, Hubble, Mars rovers, and Artemis 2 What "outgassing" is, why it's a serious problem in the vacuum of space, and how it can blur a telescope lens How an astronaut performed an in-space oil change on the ISS's solar array — using Castrol grease — to fix a dangerous juddering problem Why the lunar South Pole is so important as a future staging post for deeper space exploration (ice, hydrogen, lava tubes — yes, really!) What co-engineering means and how Castrol works in partnership with companies like Lunar Outpost to design solutions for environments no one has ever accessed before What the AstroAnt is, how it works, and why swarms of them could be the future of spacecraft maintenance What Chris looks for in the next generation of space innovators — hint: it starts with curiosity Watch the Documentary: Don't miss Drive Me to the Moon — the full documentary featuring Chris, Castrol, and Lunar Outpost's mission to the lunar South Pole. It's a beautiful, emotional, and inspiring behind-the-scenes look at what it truly takes to explore the Moon. Watch it at: castrol.com — search Drive Me to the Moon About Chris Lockett: Chris Lockett is the Global Technology Director at Castrol, part of the BP Group. With a background in chemical engineering from his university studies in the UK, Chris joined BP as a graduate and has spent nearly three decades working across engineering, strategy, and technology roles. He now leads Castrol's global team of hundreds of technologists who develop lubrication solutions for everything from Formula One to Formula E, electric vehicles, industrial applications, data centers — and space. If you enjoyed this episode and would like to share, I'd love to hear it! Follow Casual Space Podcast and share your favorite episode: LinkedIn — @casualspacepodcast Facebook — @casualspacepodcast Instagram — @casualspacepodcast YouTube — @casualspacepodcast Got a great guest suggestion or idea for the show? E-mail me at beth@casualspacepodcast.com

April 10, 2026Episode 28650 min

286: Eyes to the Stars with Dr. Steve Hawley, NASA Shuttle Astronaut

What does it take to go from studying the universe… to flying through it? On this episode of Casual Space, Beth welcomes Dr. Steven A. Hawley—NASA astronaut, space shuttle veteran, and author of his new book, Eyes to the Stars, A Memoir for the Space Shuttle Generation. Listen to enjoy the remarkable journey of a young astronomer from Kansas who never expected to become an astronaut—and what happened when he said "yes" anyway. Steve shares the quiet but powerful decisions that shaped his career: staying open to opportunity, embracing uncertainty, and trusting preparation when timing finally aligned. From his early fascination with astronomy to deploying the Hubble Space Telescope, this conversation reveals what spaceflight is really like—both technically and personally. You'll hear behind-the-scenes insights from the Space Shuttle era, including the realities of astronaut selection, the discipline of mission training, and the teamwork required to operate in one of the most high-risk environments humans have ever entered. Resources & Links Eyes to the Stars by Steve Hawley on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Eyes-Stars-Memoir-Shuttle-Generation/dp/1960259571 Hubble Space Telescope https://science.nasa.gov/mission/hubble/ Artemis Program https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/artemis/ Whether you're an aspiring astronaut, a space enthusiast, or someone navigating your own uncertain path—this episode is a reminder that the journey to the stars often begins with simply staying open to possibility.

April 3, 2026Episode 28542 min

285: Did the "Project Hail Mary" Film Stick the Landing? / ft. Dr. Danny Jaques

An earlier version of this episode got corrupted on export, so the audio cut out part of the way into the episode. That has been fixed in this version. Apologies for the inconvenience! - Dr. Danny Jaques, a 36-year veteran science educator, Space Camp Hall of Famer, and founder of Danny's Rocket Ranch, joins Beth for a review of the Project Hail Mary film adaptation. A lifelong educator who has taken nearly 600 students to Space Camp and spent decades bringing science to life in the classroom, Danny brings a perspective to this conversation that you simply cannot get anywhere else. Beth and Danny dig into what works, what got left on the cutting room floor, and what the film means for the next generation of students, astrobiologists, and space dreamers who will walk out of the theater wanting to know more. If you haven't read the book yet, consider this your sign. Then come back and listen to this. Dr. Danny Jaques & Danny's Rocket Ranch Website: https://www.dannysrocketranch.com Facebook: https://facebook.com/DannysRocketRanch Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dannysrocketranchspacesalsa X: https://x.com/drr_spacesalsa LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dannysrocketranch Project Hail Mary Movie Website: https://www.mgm.com/movies/project-hail-mary Book by Andy Weir: https://www.amazon.com/Project-Hail-Mary-Andy-Weir/dp/0593135202 Audiobook narrated by Ray Porter: https://www.audible.com/pd/Project-Hail-Mary-Audiobook/B08G9PRS1K

March 20, 2026Episode 28422 min

284: Etched in Crystal: Putting 3,237 Stories Onto a Lunar Rover

Josh Hanes, whose work at Uplift Aerospace focuses on expanding access to space through student-centered education and immersive experiences, returns to the show with major updates on what's happened since STORIES of Space submitted its community database at the end of 2025. https://www.upliftaerospace.com Beth and Josh celebrate two landmark achievements: the successful laser engraving the story database from STORIES of Space into a 5D crystal along with over 3,000 messages from students, teachers, and community storytellers around the world, an extraordinary archival medium capable of preserving data for potentially millions of years, and the integration of that crystal onto Astrolab's FLIP rover on March 2nd, 2026. Josh explains how 5D crystal technology works, using femtosecond lasers to modify atomic structures within crystal, storing terabytes of data in a piece no larger than a quarter. He walks through the mission patch artwork created by Dr. Sian Proctor, who implemented a word cloud of student messages into a design now displayed prominently on the rover itself. The FLIP rover, a pathfinder mission for Astrolab's larger FLEX rover planned for the Artemis program, is targeting the lunar South Pole and is expected to launch in the middle to late part of 2026. When it arrives, it will carry the dreams, hopes, and words of STORIES of Space contributors as part of what Josh describes as a living archive of humanity at this pivotal moment in history. This episode is a must-listen for anyone following the STORIES of Space journey, or for anyone who wants to understand just how close we are to a genuine paradigm shift in humanity's relationship with space. The future is not a promise on the horizon anymore, it is already being built. Follow along at https://www.upliftaerospace.com and across their socials at @UpliftAerospace on Instagram, X, and LinkedIn.

March 13, 2026Episode 28323 min

283: How Will Project Hail Mary Make the Leap from Book to Silver Screen?

Have you read "Project Hail Mary," by Andy Weir? No spoilers in this episode, as Beth reviews three of the main characters, and wonders how they will make the leap from page to the silver screen. Project Hail Mary on Amazon

December 18, 2025Episode 28232 min

282: Five STORIES Going to the Moon

The deadline for submitting stories to the Moon on MISSION 06 with STORIES of Space has been extended to December 28 ! In this episode, Beth selects & shares five recently submitted stories that will be sent to the Moon. Hundreds more will be sent to the moon along with these inspiring stories. Will yours be one of them? You have until December 28 to submit your story at storiesofspace.com About STORIES of Space Stories of Space is a non-for-profit organization that collects personal narratives about space, and sends them into space. MISSION 06 will take stories to the lunar surface, creating a lasting legacy. Learn more at storiesofspace.com

December 12, 2025Episode 28133 min

281: STORIES of Space is Going to the Moon with Uplift Aerospace

This week on Casual Space, Beth is joined by two extraordinary guests: Josh Hanes, CEO of Uplift Aerospace and Dr. Sian Proctor, astronaut, artist, educator, and founder of Space2Inspire to share an announcement that's truly out of this world. Josh, whose background spans physics, advanced propulsion concepts, and aerospace leadership with a mission to expand access to space for all through innovative education and immersive experiences, explains how Uplift's journey has grown from astronaut training to student-centered lunar missions. https://www.upliftaerospace.com Dr. Proctor, best known as the first African-American woman to pilot a commercial spacecraft on the Inspiration4 mission and a celebrated science communicator and artist, shares how her experiences have shaped her work in space, art, and education. https://space2inspire.art Together with Beth, they unveil STORIES of Space MISSION 06, a groundbreaking initiative that is taking human-written stories and student messages to the Moon aboard Astrolab's FLEX rover. This mission blends creativity, STEM learning, and legacy, preserving voices and visions from classrooms and communities in laser-engraved crystal time capsules and symbolic artwork. You'll hear how this collaboration unites awe, imagination, and education, inspiring students to think bigger and dream longer, and how this mission invites listeners to send their story to be embedded onboard a rover that will help explore the lunar surface! This episode is a must-listen (and watch on YouTube) for anyone curious about how storytelling, art, and space exploration intersect—and how your own story might find its way to the lunar surface. Visit storiesofspace.com to submit your original work before the December 16 deadline and become part of this historic lunar journey.